tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32248579.post5251064563578455742..comments2023-09-26T07:47:18.127-05:00Comments on θεοβλογούμενα <br><sup>(theoblogoumena)</sup>: Whence "Complementarianism"?EricWhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09008786460314263379noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32248579.post-74565773596629488472009-05-20T05:52:28.504-05:002009-05-20T05:52:28.504-05:00I'm not familiar with the literature, but the peop...I'm not familiar with the literature, but the people and links at the complegalitarian blog would be able to help you:<br /><br /><A HREF="http://complegalitarian.wordpress.com/" REL="nofollow">http://complegalitarian.wordpress.com/</A>EricWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09008786460314263379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32248579.post-41318326864202657422009-05-20T02:14:48.708-05:002009-05-20T02:14:48.708-05:00I appreciate your thoughts on this. It's that craz...I appreciate your thoughts on this. It's that crazy doublespeak that can be confusing and disarming, "Oh, we are all equal in value, God just has different roles for men and women...blablabla," when in reality Complimentarianism really seems to operate the way you describe in your post, more like "subordinationism." How did they get their euphemism anyway?<br /><br />A "reformed fundy" recently slammed me for my site, freedom4captives.wordpress.com . He did this on his blog, rather than confronting me w/ his issues... I'm not sure it's worth my time to do battle with him.<br /><br />But what he did make me aware of is this: despite my having made peace both with living and with Scripture in really and truly being "equal" with my wonderful husband of over two decades, I need to brush up on my gender theology to deal with these kinds of onslaughts.<br /><br />(e.g., specifically, see reformedfundamentalist blog, "'My Former Church is a Cult' Blogging" Apr 20,2009, if you're interested).<br /><br />Do you have one or two of your favorite, easy reads, on this topic to recommend?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32248579.post-89595485722693060672009-05-04T22:46:00.000-05:002009-05-04T22:46:00.000-05:00With all this talk about 'submission' in the churc...With all this talk about 'submission' in the church,<br /><br />look at it this way, soon men too will submit,<br /><br />to Islam, which means, SUBMISSION.!<br /><br />Just think, when that time arrives, [and men, yes, if you take the whole submit headship, etc., it includes SLAVERY, that little part the modern day church likes to, uh, forget, then yes, if Sharia Law or Islam takes over, and it will, look at the UK, those very same scriptures used against women will then, also, have to be applied to men, of course, I'm SURE the pro-patriarchs, lol, will find some way, to get around that, but alas, anyway]<br /><br />it is a tad ironic, don't you think, the worship of 'submission' and all the wars and debates to maintain it, and here we have, Islam, the fastest growing religion in the world, <br /><br />Islam-SUBMISSION.<br /><br />Ironic, don't you think?Natashahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06004480128192978716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32248579.post-77587300279774742622009-01-07T19:28:00.000-06:002009-01-07T19:28:00.000-06:00The kephale of an army was the forward position th...The kephale of an army was the forward position that took the most hits, so I think it is a possible valid interpretation for the husband to act in this way. Kind of like a bumper on a car, the first part of a car.Donhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05247071840577399185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32248579.post-46201011733777479632009-01-07T13:08:00.000-06:002009-01-07T13:08:00.000-06:00Excellent thoughts, both of you. :o)Because of th...Excellent thoughts, both of you. :o)<BR/><BR/>Because of the man's strengths as well as often more privileged position in society, I think it is proper in the Lord that he stand in front of his wife as head to provide and protect. But not as an authority which most often is used against the woman and for the benefit of the man. Each spouse is to benefit the other. The husband benefits the wife with what he has to provide, nurture and protect. The wife benefits the man to provide different things, to support, to honor and protect him in different ways as his body. The analogy of head of and body of is one of interdependence and mutual support.believer333https://www.blogger.com/profile/03480546499577897857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32248579.post-42149789117249387232009-01-07T11:02:00.000-06:002009-01-07T11:02:00.000-06:00I love your thoughts and completely agree! The on...I love your thoughts and completely agree! <BR/><BR/>The only thing I would slightly disagree with you on is the Scriptural basis for a husband to be a leader over a wife. <BR/><BR/>I would say that Scripture may indicate that a husband is leader over a wife, ONLY if head/kephale means authority, and if her instructions to submit were intended to be recieved across time and culture as opposed to being instructions for a segment of society that literally *had* to be subject (just as slaves did) by law. <BR/><BR/>I would posit that Paul's words are for wives to submit, just as slaves were to obey, because the law of the land and the mores of the time demanded such. However, I would add that Paul then quietly subverted those mores when he told masters that they were not "more respected" in God's sight, and that husbands were to love their wives as Christ loved the church---which, in the beginning of Ephesians, involved Him raising her up to His level, not keeping her down "in her place."<BR/><BR/> According to Ephesians 1 and 2, her "place," hierarchically, is in Him, which would indicate that the earthly husband, endowed with much greater rights and abilities because of his patriarchal society, was to raise his wife up to his level. Unfortunately, what I see in (most) complementarianism, is a lot of work keeping the women aware of their (lower) place. For this reason, I think hierarchalism is an apt term. <BR/><BR/>(Btw, this is nothing against the concept of submission in general: I think submission is a Christian attribute. I just don't think it's a *female* attribute). :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com